A Conversation With Greer Gilman | ||||||||||
An interview with Sherwood Smith | ||||||||||
February 2004 | ||||||||||
Greer I. Gilman is working on a triptych of stories, variations on a winter myth. "Jack Daw's Pack," which appeared
in Century (Winter 2000), was a Nebula finalist for 2001, and the subject of an interview by Michael Swanwick,
published in Foundation (Autumn 2001). It was reprinted in the 14th Year's Best Fantasy and Horror. The
second novella of the three, "A Crowd of Bone," has just come out in Trampoline (2003, Small Beer Press); it was on the
Locus Recommendation list for 2003. Women of Other Worlds (1999, University of Western Australia Press), has
reprinted her poem, "She Undoes" from The Faces of Fantasy (1996, Tor). Ms. Gilman was a John W. Campbell finalist
for 1992, and a guest speaker at the Art/Sci'98 Symposium held at the Cooper Union in New York. Her career has been profiled
in the Harvard University Gazette (Oct. 11, 2001).
A sometime forensic librarian, she lives in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and travels in stone circles.
Greer's interview with Trampoline is here:
www.lcrw.net/trampoline/author/gilman.htm
Many writers claim to write the movie in their heads. You have said elsewhere that you are not one of these, which is
surprising in a writer whose text is so rich in imagery. Is that true?
I live in translation. What's past is history, a chronicle sub-vocalized:
halfway to text. Though rarely, inexplicably, I do have vivid dreams, "that, when I waked, I cried to dream again." That
power of imagination is an astonishing gift, a calling-forth of spirits from the deep. If I had three wishes, it would
probably be one, before even flying or time travel.
In a way, it is time travel. And maybe then I wouldn't write.
So I read for voice and imagery; and I write for the ear, as much for the inward eye. And for the tongue. Words are like
bright stones that you have to put in your mouth, to taste the curve and edge of them, their cool. If I've done it right,
people tell me, "I just had to read that aloud."
I need to get the tune of a story in my head before I can write. I do envy composers their polyphony: fugue and counterfugue
and chords. I've got plainchant.
What I have is a junk heap, a congeries of stuff. A rag tag, a rat's nest. A button box of words. I jackdaw anything: this
bit of wordplay, that Vermeer. Ravellings of ballads, rags of folklore, postcards of old farm tools, shards of myth. All
things that fascinate me, riddles that I worry at. I brood on this; I try to make something of it, turning it this way and that. I'm clueless.
I try to pick out storylines with one finger. I write bits and pieces.
My people lie there like a row of dolls.
Nothing works. I despair.
And then, just maybe -- you know the cartoon of the guy at the chalkboard? -- a miracle happens.
Entropy runs backward. It begins to crystallize. I don't quite hear voices, but I feel the rhythm of the prose, which is the
heartbeat of the story. ("A Crowd of Bone" is mostly in dissolved pentameter, half water and half ice.) So there's a sort
of spectral music in my head, a kind of synaesthetic composition: I know I need a sharp dark something here, a long green something there.
My characters quicken; they have passion and will.
It's like a Polaroid developing, faces coming clear and clearer from a
green white fog. Or like Atlantis run backward: islands rising from a sea,
from a Cloud of unknowing. Here's a peak, and there's a peak, and the contours and the road keep changing, until at last
I see the land mass, and I know my journey.
There are goddesses in Cloud because I read and loved George MacDonald and P.L. Travers as a child. There are witches from
fairy tales; mowers from Marvell; lovers and their deaths from ballads on old vinyl, songs handed down from folks who learned
them from their mothers' mothers, and were cut in wax. There are landscapes from the North of England, woods I've walked
in. Stars and seasons. Circles of stones. (I like the turning year.) And almost everything I've drawn on, draws on sources older still.
Why ballads, witches, moorland? They're what I'm drawn to, what I am:
no other.
So a truer answer is: all my life. I've spent half a century Cloudforming my imagination. That landscape is myself turned
elsewhere; but it marches with the Wood beyond. And sometimes -- if I'm lucky -- even I get lost.
But consciously? Hmm... Maybe so. If not writers, demagogues have used the power of myth, cynically or fervidly, to rouse their worlds. Successfully?
Ah, that's another matter. Who knows what stories will live? The earth is cumbered with the shards of long-forgotten deities.
Or at least another actress with a supple, rich, low voice. Someone who could do both sorts of voices in the story: high
and low, dissolved pentameter and Cloudish dialect. I'd love that.
There is talk at Small Beer of recording all of the Trampoline authors reading their stories. I've been working on it. I'm
not too bad a reader -- I know where the beats are and how the cadences should fall -- but alas, I'm no actress.
How was the movie?
Black and white, then?
Cloud is a state of mind, a mode in music, like Dorian. A dreamscape. And the worlds -- well, they're infolded like a
tesseract. Their bounds are not geography but metaphysics. So how do you cross from one world to another?
Second to the right, and straight on till morning. See you not that bonny road? And yes, you can get there by
candlelight. There and back again.
More than maps or chronologies, I guess what readers are missing is a compass, a narrative lodestone. There isn't a voice
at the reader's shoulder; there isn't a wizard explaining things to Tooks. All islands in the mist. And my characters
themselves are fog bound; or inured to strangeness. Immersed either way. Kit is a stranger to Cloud, and Thea is a double
stranger, an off-world immortal. Either you drown with them, or find another sort of book, with roads.
Really, I don't mean to be prickly. This world we're in bewilders me, and my imagined worlds reflect that.
As for magic -- well, the rules aren't on the box. There are witches and goddesses (both in hedges); but no guys in pointy hats, no magecraft.
Mostly the magic in Cloud is ritual and communal. Folk ceremony. If the women don't chose an Ashes surrogate each winter,
then the year dies. No spring. Their guisers really do bring the sun.
But really, what an odd story for me to tell -- I always thought that I don't do tragedy, I don't do lovers. I'm scarcely a
romantic. But Kit, poor fellow, is. And it's a romance that he feels he's in, that he wants me to tell. Not a tragedy
though: I think in his heart he believes in winter's tales, in loss redeemed and lovers reunited, foundlings found. He'd
be waiting for Cordelia to wake. It can't end that way.
And Thea's in another story, one that crosses his. She's myth. She is Ashes, their Cloudish Persephone, the daughter of the
goddess of the underworld, whose rising from the earth is spring; and who must always return to darkness. Even her constellation
never quite rises, wading to the knee in earth. Her mother is bent on consuming her utterly. And Thea is desperate to flee that fate.
At first she catches Kit up as a means to her end; then slowly feels compunction toward him -- she's tangled a soul in her mother's
web -- then fellowship, affection, love. He's very dear to her -- a world she's barely found before it's lost -- but her passions
are otherwise. Romance just isn't in her grammar.
C.S Lewis wrote of his passion for "the Northernness." And oh yes, I'm after that draught of otherwise -- the witchiness, the
balladry, the ring of bridles in the nightwood -- but distilled through a voice and vision. I love the singularity of writers,
their dragonfly selves. I love them for their voices, for the air and earth and elsewhere they inhabit; for what they see, what
they connect, their cadences, their company. The stuff of their imagination.
I play them over like music.
Oh, and many others: Jorge Luis Borges and A.S. Byatt; T.H. White (his children's books); Lucy Boston; Diana Wynne Jones and Joan
Aiken (gloriously askew); Michael Swanwick (wicked clever); Kelly Link (like a written Magritte). Sadly, I've lost my early
fondness for Ursula K. Le Guin. I still like her adamantine assurance, when she isn't hectoring. And beyond our archipelago, back on
the bookish mainland, there are far too many pages to recount. Always Shakespeare and the OED; lots of memoirs of
childhood; anthologies of oddments (just now it's The Chatto Book of Cabbages and Kings and
The Faber Book of Vernacular Verse); Guy Davenport's Geography of the Imagination...
(Dysmythopoesis?)
It will be (I hope) a winter's tale, a redemption.
But I'll give Margaret the last word:
"Margaret ran on."
Sherwood Smith is a writer by vocation and reader by avocation. Her webpage
is at www.sff.net/people/sherwood/.
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